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how do you reciprocate for staying at a cyclist house.
what is the norm and what do they expect , should you leave money or what? I just don;t feel right unless i do something for letting me stay at their house.
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Tell a Story

We have had several long distance cyclists come and stay with us. In all cases, we didn't expect nor would we accept any type of reciporcation. My family simply enjoys talking with, eating dinner with, and listening to the stories of fellow travelers on two wheels.

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Just leave a story

Bring *yourself*. You, your adventures and your stories are plenty of reward for some hospitality. I like to take visitors out for pizza when they come by, just so we can have some time to visit and hear about life on tour. For some of us who host, traveling is more of a dream than a reality; I may not presently have the time to hit the road myself, but I can share the experience through the stories of visitors.


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Don't leave money

It's not saying that we should be stingy or ungrateful, but I think leaving money would be like an insult to the host, since hospitality is the idea of WSL, nor do I think one should expect the guest(s) would pay them or bring something alone. But it's not saying that the guest(s) shouldn't bring anything.

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Leaving Money

In principle we agree with you but certainly some of the profiles on the WSL specifically state that there is a cost involved for the stay so clearly not everyone thinks the same way regarding money.

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same thread

As more often a guest than a host, I often have in my panniers a few, fun little toys (such as those balsa wood or styrofoam planes) if my host has children. Monetary compensation surely is not part of the spirit of WSL. Being part of one big family is.

Josh Pfiester

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Foam Planes

Hi Josh,
I read this and thought what a beautiful idea. Small lightweight cheap but fun and educational. I've just bought 10 planes and 10 butterflies for the girls on ebay.
I don't know if these are popular in Iran and Pakistan which are my first two destinantions. I will soon find out.
Cheers Josh

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Dificult answer, but I'll have to desagree..

Well, the answer that I've read to this post are tipical of people from rich countries, where have food is not a big deal and it is far from being a chalenge. But I have to desagree with the idea that leave money is a kind of insult especially in some houses that we had been hosted in South America where the food that this people ate in the day of our arrival was the food that we provided them. I remember that in may of 2004 we pintch our tent in the garden of a very poor family in Puerto Iguazu - Argentina, they did have bath neither electricity to offer, and my wife and me planed to have a bath with our ortlieb sac after the sun set when everything was in the dark. After that I cook as I was used to do, and when I served the meal my wife started to cry because our hosts were hid inside the poor house. I asked Nara, why are you crying, because they don't have anything was the answer.
So I think that especially in poor areas we have to be smart and figure out how could we help. There is no formula for this question.

un abrazo

Carlos Ferrandis almost in the road again.

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Thanks for sharing this.

Thanks for sharing this.

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No set answer

I agree with you. Each host and guest situation is different. I always have food with me and will always offer it towards the meal or host. Sometimes this is laughed at and sometimes it is warmly received. Adapt to the situation I believe.

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Thank you for sharing your beautiful and truly wrenching story. What a wake up call that must have been. Hugs to you and your wife.

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Let the host decide

As host I expect nothing in return, just good guest manners and a THANK YOU.

As a touring cyclist I offer to pay and let the host decide then I follow up with a thank you picture, postcard or e-mail.

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Do some garden work ...

I find a little garden work is the best "thank you" : it doesn't go stale, it's not alcoholic or fattening, it's always appreciated and it's easy to do. Plus ,it's a good counter-exercise after sitting on your bike for days !

Of course, I am assuming you ASK the host what they would like done BEFORE you start work.

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A bottle of wine, a pizza, etc.

We normally stop in a store and buy a bottle of wine from where we live. We've been able to find Lodi wine in England and France so we don't bother to carry any with us. When staying in France with a couple and their daughter of limited means, we treated the family to pizza one evening and bought bread and other things for breakfast. Even so, in just economics, the cost of staying with the family was much less than the minimum 90E we would have had to pay for two nights, three beds, dorm style at a hostel. That doesn't count the interaction between us visitors and our hosts who taught us much about France and expedition type touring.

Jerry and Jeanette's Burley Baby
2002 Burley Duet S&S Tandem
TH 4.86(430*113)
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Thank you and a picture

Evaluate the host's situation and use common sense! Ask what you can do to thank them, and if nothing is suggested, send a thank you note with a picture of yourself on the road.

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Well as a new future host...I have to say that I agree. Just send a pic of you & your bike on the road..I would like to start a scrap book. It would be neat just to meet and make a new friend.:)


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How to reciprocate

And carry a small photo album of pictures of your home (or other trips etc). This is a great conversation starter especially in differentially developed areas. But also helps hosts appreciate who you are when you are "getting acquainted".

Jim Lingenfelter & Georgia Cravey
Indianapolis, IN

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How to reciprocate

The family that we have just hosted, yes father, mother and 2 children, cycling the length of New Zealand (1600km) left us with a mini cd with a slide show of their country and their cycling trips and it was full of local music as well. Did not take up any space and was an awesome memento for us as hosts. We did not expect anything and we don't expect anything. Their being here and making friends is enough.


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That's a great suggestion. I once did NOT host someone - he was just passing thru my town midday - but gave him a lot of feedback on routes, traffic, a local pizza joint, etc. He later sent me a postcard of his bike & tent at a campsite, with a little "thanks for your support" note inside - it made my day!

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ALWAYS send a followup!

We love to host other cyclists, and certainly would never expect them to give us anything, monetary or otherwise. Being one big world-wide family is a great feeling! Of course if you sense that your visit is a financial hardship, by all means try to ease that by offering to buy food (or whatever).

When we stay with others on the WSL, we make a point of always sending a postcard (yes, an old-fashioned postcard) later in the trip to reiterate our thanks. One or more follow-up emails or sharing trip journals or photos is also something we try to do. Many of our hosts have maintained a special place in our hearts, and still get the occasional card or letter years later. We love staying in touch with them and hearing back, and hoping they will visit us someday and let us reciprocate their hospitality.

I am always extremely disappointed when we host someone (and we generally try to go all out), and then never hear from them again. How hard is it to drop an email later in the trip or after getting home, so we know you got home safely? This seems to us to be a simple courtesy that many cyclists forget after they leave and get busy with other things. I would say about 1/3 of the visitors ride down the driveway and we never hear from them sad.

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bring happyness

peter kern

I would say the letter who says always send a follow up hits the nail, many people are so happy to recieve a card. how often have i been in places in south america where people where so happy and proud to have recieved a post card from a person who stayed there before

i think you open your door to others as all of us have received hospitality on the road and would like to give it back.

as a visitor you should try to make you useful in whatever way you can.

and yes if you sense hardship try to help a bit if you have the means,

but dont forget the most important gift you can bring is happyness and memories

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I agree with previous post.
I agree with previous post. I figure I have offered up help, it seems cheezy to then turn around and ask them for money. On the other hand, I was thinking of something my Dad told me when as a young guy I was hitchhiking around the country. Dad suggested that when staying at someone's home, you step out and take a walk up to the nearest grocery store and buy a few groceries that you know everyone likes, does not have to be much, any effort speaks volumes. I took his advice and just bought a few simple things I knew all would enjoy, some oranges or fruit, bottle of milk or juice, or if host had told me what was for dinner, something that might compliment the meal. I think of this as being similar to the types of things you might bring when going to a friends for dinner, maybe a bottle of wine or bread. In my experience the hosts always seemed to appreciate any small effort along those lines.
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Reciprocal gifts

We would never ask for anything except perhaps a bottle of wine to have with dinner would be much appreciated. However, the one cyclist we have hosted gave us both a pair of cycling socks from her local group which we wear frequently - although they are bright orange! - so we remember her every time we put them on. What a great idea.

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Give with your heart, and it'll be fine and appreciated.

Well, considering that I'm on a trip right now, and am staying at Carlos Ferrandis and Nara, WONDERFUL hosts, and fellow cycle adventurers, here's what I've done for them and for everyone else in my trip.

I ALWAYS buy food, and offer to cook for the hosts. I've done this all across South America, because for starters, I am vegetarian, and non alcoholic, and I don't like to buy alcohol for other people, due to conflicts of my internal principles. So, What I always do is offer to cook dinner, and it's always an exotic dish, since I have a lot of non american friends who taught me to cook. Couple of examples I've cooked are: Indian chick pea curry, polari, an indian deep fried dish, a vietnamese drink, vegetarian sushi, vietnamese vegetarian stir fry, philadelphia vegetarian cheese steak, chinese steam buns, hummus and toasted arabic bread, tempura, and yaki soba. By the way, I always buy the ingredients unless the hosts demand that they pay for it. And even then I still offer to buy the ingredients. It's my personal pleasure and joy to cook good, vegetarian, fine cuisine for other people!

Other things I've done to return the favor: Taught english and personal business development classes, time management, project planning, goal setting, and in one special case, I stayed in Maringa for 3 weeks with a guy, non warm showers related, where I trained him in how to pick up women. Yeah, I spent way too much time studying that stuff when I was a student back in 1999. He was very very very happy with his new found confidence before I left. :-D

So, I would advise that you take a personal inventory of your skills and capabilities, and things that you do for pleasure at home for your friends and family, or in your profession or trade, and offer them in exchange for the hospitality. Give it with all your heart, and appreciate the fact that in this cold world, a few people out there are able to see through the veil of false fear to open their hearts to you.

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As a new member and an avid

As a new member and an avid cyclist, I would not want anything in return for what I have to offer. What is given is given from the heart without any desire for anything in return. I certainly wouldn't want anyone to feel obligated to me for anything.
Should any of you find yourself in Grass Valley, CA., I'd hope you'd stop in, make yourself at home... and enjoy a little comfort at the end of your day. It's an open door.


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I don't have experience yet

I don't have experience yet with hosting/being hosted as a cyclist. However, I have been traveling all over the world as a backpacker and have been taken in many times by locals who took pity on me. (Or were just interested in meeting a foreigner.) I find food is a very good reciprocal gift. Especially in 3rd World Countries, I would feel bad to eat the little food people have. So, what I usually do is take the host to the (super)market, buy something special they couldn't afford and then enjoy it with them over a good conversation.
Follow-up postcards are always a good idea as well. And I always carry booklets of postcards from beautiful Switzerland to write a thank you note on and leave behind. I also tend to buy/give away books.
By the way, if you stay with us in Perth, don't worry, we don't want anything in return. ;)

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Gifts for hosts

I've only just joined this site but have hosted through hospitality club, so thought I'd like to comment. As a host I expect nothing except good company and a little conversation to learn about different people, places & lifestyles. As a guest I would feel rude if I turned up with nothing. I'm not a cyclist so the issue of luggage space is different for me. I ask all my guests to sign my guest book (the old fashioned paper type). One couple who stayed recently and introduced me to this site not only left a lovely comment but attached a small photo of themselves that they must have had with them. Now whenever I look through my guest book I remember not only what fun they were, but also what they looked like. This is a great idea and something that wouldn't take up too much valuable space.

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If it comes up

A couple offered once to pay something and I told them to send Roger something for maintaining the site, when they got home.

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re: If it comes up

I like that idea.

As a host, who has also been a guest many many times, I only want my guests to bring common decency and an appreciation that they were invited into someones home (that is as opposed to a sense of entitlement). I take my own pictures when they are here. Though it is not required I always find it nice if they have brought a postcard from home or a little food gift, once I got jam that was so cool, but I felt guilty because I knew that had to take up valuable space and weight in their saddlebags. Plus the expense of a gift makes me feel guilty because I like the idea of people moving about the world on very little money. Offering to do some odd job around the house is like fantastic, just the offer is wonderful. Most of all the best thing you can do is say thank you with a note afterward. An email when the trip is over or at the holidays makes you feel remembered.

What did I bring when I was a guest?, a small package of cheese. It's light, different and most people like it.

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My Philosophy regarding Hosting

My take on the topic is:
If somebody is kind to you (e.g. by hosting you for free), you owe something - but not necessarily in return to the same person.
If you forward the favour to somebody else, and he/she does likewise, it might eventually circle back to the originator - and make many more people happy on the way.
Let's use this method to make this a better world!

Happy cycling,

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Hosting WS and living on a horse farm, my only problem is getting people to leave. They help feed the horses, pick up the chickens eggs and play with the dogs (rescue chihuahua's) with no prompting from me. Such wonderful guests.
I only ask for a postcard at the end of the journey to let me know if they have arrived at their distination.
Just a quick update.
Almost all of our visitors have sent a postcard which we are putting in a small portfolio. Thank you for sending such adventurous people, who remind me of when I was young and unafraid.
Maria and Diane

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hosting return

We have to agree that the best payment is for those we host to be good guests. Sharing good conversation, tales of the road, knowledge and experience, when coupled with a willingness to fit into the experience as they find it, is always appreciated.

We do have them sign "the board" as have prior guests to keep a more permanent record of our opportunities to host. Postcards and e-mails regarding progress and completion of the tour are also appreciated.

Best of all is a willingness to pay-it-forward by helping others when they can and being good advocates and ambassadors for touring cycling.

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Thank you for host

A simple email follow up is really sufficient for most situations. I often go a bit futher by offering to take my host out for a meal, especially if it's a two night stay.

I arrived at a host home once with a gift of farmer's market fruit, some nuts, and cheese. I handed the bag to him and we went about our business. As I was leaving, I noticed the food still sitting out on his counter, and suggested he might want to refrigerate it. Astonished, he replied "I thought you brought that for yourself. You mean it was for us?" We both had a good laugh, but there was an embarrassing element. I'll do a better job of explaining next time.

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Share experience?

I'm new to Warm Shower. But I've travelled quite a bit and hosted stranger travellers (who are not on bike). When not on a bike, buying gift is a much easier affair. I can see that being a difficulty when touring on bike. So I'd suggest not to overthink it too much, unless you're staying multiple nights (which I didn't realize is happening) and have a chance to buy gift locally.

As a host, the most space efficient gift a cyclist can bring is the guest's own travel experience. And if you're like me, who travels with a digital camera and takes a few pictures each day, use it as a talking point. These days, a lot of families have computers. Bring a thumb drive with your best travel photos. There'll be no shortage of conversation topics. (I don't take that many pictures while on bike. So my best photos are actually while kayaking or skiing, which amuse my hosts just as much)

If I know the host better, I would offer to take them out for dinner, unless the host prefer to cook instead. In that case, I would ask if I can go get beer or wine. That's assuming there's a store within riding distance without delaying dinner too much. ;-)

As others had pointed out, if it looks like your visit is a financial hardship for the host, by all means offer money. That's what they need at that moment and that's the best way to show appreciation.

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what would hosts like?

We have recently had some experience as hosts so I think I can offer a point of view here. On my profile I was pretty clear that we like to know exactly when people are arriving and that we like there to be some follow up - maybe a postcard or something to tell us more about the adventures. We've had good experiences and met some really interesting people that we would be happy to have come back - but we also had a couple that treated us like a B&B they were paying several hundred $$ for. They were very vague about when or whether they would arrive, very terse and sparse emails right up until the day of arrival when they did phone an hour ahead, then they clearly expected to be waited on, when offered anything always took the best or most expensive, didn't compliment on the dinner or breakfast, didn't show any interest in anyone else, didn't take their dishes to the sink, and as a final insult, when I said please send us postcards of your journeys they said "read our blog...". Never once did they say "please come visit us" or "how can we repay you" or anything that would indicate that they were getting anything other than what they had paid for - and there was no postcard or even a follow up thank you email. Also, if guests are not planning on leaving first thing in the morning, it would be really good to let people know ahead of time ... they might actually have a life other than being your waiter. I'd like to hear if others feel they have been taken advantage of. I think we'd all like to be helpful but would also like to feel appreciated for our efforts and that there would be some reciprocity to others to keep the hospitality cycle going around.

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re: what would hosts like?

Yes, I feel as though some of the guests that I've hosted have taken advantage of my generosity. However I do not believe that they acted this way because they were mean-spirited or anything like that. In contrast they tended to be younger folks who were a bit immature and weren't used to thinking beyond their own self interest.

Regarding how to respond to this situation I have two thoughts. If the guests were truly obnoxious (and not just immature) then I believe writing them a negative recommendation would be appropriate. This is to inform other warmshowers hosts who are considering hosting them what they may be in for. For those guests that I categorize as nice people but a bit immature my response is to change my behavior. I stop going out of my way to do special things for them. My thoughts are that it is my own fault (in a sense) if I keep doing extra things for them that result in my unhappiness.


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What Hosts would you like...

Yes, I had a similar experience, but not with WarmShowers. I had registered with other online host-guest sites (couch surfing, freeloaders, etc) with the good intention of being a good host in anticipation of being a guest in the future. Like the other response, an experience of young, immature guests, that do not socialise, nor contribute, (and in my case had others camping in the street using my services) left a bad taste.

I have not had any such experience in W.S. I guess it will happen, when "bad-users" of other host-guest sites move over to us.

I never felt at risk of personal safety, finance or health. Just marked down to experience.

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sketchy visitors

I'm new to WS but have hosted couchsurfers before with my girlfriend. Mostly everyone we hosted were nice people, very considerate and social. We only had two dudes, an American soldier straight out of Iraq and a runner-from-his-past, who were, in my opinion, inconsiderate.

30 minutes after our soldier's arrival, he first proceeded to show us a bunch of "bullseye" video footage of helicopters and other military equipment sighting in, and destroying people and buildings. He then continued, unprompted, to show my girlfriend, her friend and me a bunch of bare-naked, highly sexualized, female/vagina photos. My girlfriend wasn't that astonished having attended a military college, but her friend was red-faced. So yeah, a bit inconsiderate.

I asked him to stop and he did. That was it. After that, talking with him more, I got the impression he was actually a pretty nice guy and he seemed to have understood what the deal was. I think he was rather pent up and the pictures like those are pretty common place for soldiers in Iraq. Although, for some reason, I doubt a female soldier would've ran a naked, highly sexualized, male/penis picture show unprompted.

So beware of people's adventurous slideshows.

The "runner-from-his-past" is nicknamed that because I believe he was dodging arrest from DUI charges in his homestate - something we didn't get wind of until our first conversation in person. Upon his arrival, it wasn't long before we realized we had a real drinker on our hands. He had the idea to come to Alaska to live in the wild, which he did, only it was the wild bar down the road. After a few disconcerting days of drunken debauchery involving one of my friend's GFs, he disappeared into a tavern (or the woods?) and I never saw him again.

Obviously these are extreme cases and these were not "bad" people - just the "social" part, I think, was missing.

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host point of view

I have hosted 4 cross country bikers all at the same time. Nice young men. I did not expect them to bring anything
but their tired sore selves to my home.
I do like the idea of a real postcard from down the road and a written out blog address if they are keeping one online
But I think the best thing you can provide for a host is a good word here on Warmshowers of your experience
with a host. That gives others knowledge to base their requests to stay places.

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I agree with giving feedback

I enjoy hosting people. I have room and like meeting people (in spite of co-workers asking if I'm afraid).

It is very nice when your guests provide feedback on

One of my favorite guests, kept me posted through periodic emails about his progress.

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Just come!

I love it when a cyclist comes and stays in my home, it let's me be part of something that I love, even if I can not tour as I would like to. I have even dedicated a room in my house as "the bike room" just for guests. I am a single disabled person and love the company and adventure of the cyclist. I have been on two relatively short tours to date and have not had the opportunity to stay at a warm showers host home, but hope to in the future. As for what to do for me ....just come!
Rev. Cindy Morgan
Park Rapids, MN USA

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We have had the most wonderful experience with WarmShowers. Our first group was 4 students going from montreal to vancouver, called us the same day which was ok with us. We rode our bikes to meet them & rode back to our house. It was great listening to there stories. unfortunately we didnt have much food since we had been out of town :& were busy for the weekend but they made do. Our son in their next stop over was able to host them the next night & met new friends, all very awesome!. Our next 2 guys 1 week later came at a better time so we were able to give them a tour of our city & dinner. They took us out to breakfast. Again wonderful stories & great meeting new people. All offered for us to visit them in the future. Everyone was very nice & no problems.

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Good Intentions

I am always thinking to send a thank you card but never seem to get it done. I do email and keep in touch. This year I am making a thank you card to leave at hosts homes. What also works out well is when you see a vegetable stand on the side of the road, grab something special for your host. It pleases like a bottle of wine. Depending how flush you are, you can also take the host out for food.

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Some things cost money, and some don't

A flat piece of ground to sleep on adds nothing to the host's costs. Surplus produce from the garden may be considered free, if given freely.
Laundering my sheets (and whatever else), the hot water for my shower, food and beer, all cost money. Not everyone who's generous with their property also has the means or necessarily the desire to finance my travels.

If I'm hosting, I'll have food and beer and a donations can by the beer cooler. You may hit it every time you grab a cold one, or at the beginning or end of your visit. No one should be insulted that you left money to buy the next group's beer & etc.

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pass it on

We can afford to host and feed our guests. If you can do the same we'd like you to pass on the hospitality to the next cyclist.

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trip show

I had a helmet camera with me and let all hosts and several other people know that that my computer and graphics expert wife was preparing a show about the trip for my home bike club. When I offered a link to the finished production with options to click on embedded videos everyone was interested. Several non-hosts provided me with email addresses. It seems that most people are interested in how things would end up for us. I'll leave a link on my page here. Be cautioned an hour of embedded high definition color video can eat up a lot of band-width.

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Just be Friendly

I have had three different guests. All very nice. The thing I like the most is just talking about touring. I like to hear the best/ worst places to ride. Great places to visit by bike. Interesting stories from a long the way.

I had one guest, who I ran across on the road and invited back because it was getting dark and he was without a place for the night, who taught my son guitar theory. I give him a meal, shower and warm bed, and he give my so a $50 guitar lesson.

If you go into someone's home and be friendly and courteous, then that should be enough.

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Having just hosted my first

Having just hosted my first guest i learned a couple of things. Agree on how long the guest will be staying. Discuss eating arrangments. For us this became a bit expensive. I am happy to share to a degree. And please to those that stay with a host. Say thank you or in some way let the hosts know the time energy and effort are appreciated or helpfull. I find the last the most important and the key missing ingredient. The first two I see as my bad for poor communication.

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Offering and receiving hospitality

I can only tell you my experiences as a host. I am more than willing to host but my wife is a little more reluctant. She would be won over by an offer of say, even just a loaf of brown bread or an offer to help wash up etc. She always cooks, we pick up cyclists by car who struggle up the big hill we live on, and they get a clean bed and breakfast and usually dinner. Sandwiches too for their onward journey if they want them (& we like the visitor concerned). We would actually feel more inclined to offer more if we like the attitude of the visitors who come here. We have had one or two guests who made no effort whatsoever and treat us like we are a hotel. On the other hand we have had a few absolutely brilliant guests who we didn't wish to go! Personally, if I was visiting I would take a small gift, offer to help out and only accept what is on offer,the gift is not important, but the gesture of reciprocation is.
How much would it cost you to stay a night in a B&B or hotel here? At the very least €25, up to €40+ in some tourist places I expect. We are not in it for gifts or money, and we are only hosting and not visiting the homes of others at the moment, but depending on the behaviour of future guests we may withdraw our hosting. Also you will not get good reviews on the site which would help you in your future travels! This is just based on our experiences so far.

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how to say thanks...

Depends for me on how long guests stay. If just for a night or two, a thankyou is enough. If (as recently) guests stay for 5-6 days, it is much appreciated if the guest can buy some milk / bread (as we share all our food with guests!) or offer to cook us a meal.

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A simple post card at the end of your journey back to your respective hosts is greatly appreciated. Probably not too much to ask?


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